# Raymond Schaffer — Hazardous Materials Safety Interpretation - **operation:** document - **citation:** 02-0290 - **title:** Raymond Schaffer — Hazardous Materials Safety Interpretation - **source type:** guidance - **agency:** Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration - **status:** guidance - **official:** true - **published on:** 2003-07-30 - **effective on:** Not available - **summary:** 02-0290 concerning 180.407. - **machine formats:** - **json:** https://regulus.evalyn.ai/document/phmsa-interpretation-02-0290.json - **markdown:** https://regulus.evalyn.ai/document/phmsa-interpretation-02-0290.md - **app url:** https://regulus.evalyn.ai/document/phmsa-interpretation-02-0290 - **source url:** https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/sites/phmsa.dot.gov/files/legacy/interpretations/Interpretation%20Files/2002/020290.pdf **body:** <<>> U.S. Department of Transportation 400 Seventh St., S.W. Research and Washington, D.C. 20590 JUL 30 2003 Mr. Raymond Schaffer 4477 Sheila Street Ref. No. 02-0290 Los Angeles, CA 90023 Dear Mr. Schaffer: This is in response to your August 26, 2002 letter concerning the requirements for a turntable assembly on a DOT Specification cargo tank motor vehicle under the Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR; 49 CFR Parts 171-180). Specifically, you ask if the turntable assembly, as depicted in the photographs you provided, must be removed to fulfill either the visual inspection or pressure test required by § 180.407(d)(2)(viii) and (g)(1)(iii), respectively. Turntable assemblies serve the same function as an upper coupler and must be removed from the cargo tank for inspection in accordance with § 180.407(d)(2) (vili) and (g)(1)(ill), respectively. The primary purpose for this inspection is to inspect for corroded and/or abraded areas of the cargo tank which may require thickness testing. Upper couplers are normally attached to the tank using bolts and are designed to be removed and replaced, if necessary. Turntables are typically attached to the tank by means of welding and are not designed to be removed from the cargo tank without cutting. Turntable assemblies serve as the front support for the trailer in lieu of dolly legs and they normally stay attached to the cargo tank for the life of the tank, very similar to the rear suspension components of the cargo From the photographs you provided it does not appear that the turntable can be removed from the tank without cutting and welding. Further, removing the turntable would not facilitate a more thorough external visual inspection of the area of the cargo tank directly above the turntable. Therefore, the turntable assembly may remain on the cargo tank under the following conditions: The turntable assembly must allow a complete external visual inspection of the area of the cargo tank that is directly above the turntable. The visual inspection must be as effective as performing an external visual inspection of this area if the turntable were to be removed. 2. The external visual inspection and pressure test must be conducted by directly viewing the tank; therefore, the use of a device that creates an image of the tank (i.e., mirrors, cameras, or fiber optics) is prohibited. 180.407 020290 <<>> • • All major appurtenances and structural attachments on the cargo tank that can be inspected without dismantling the turntable assembly must be inspected for any corrosion or damage that might prevent safe operation (§ 180.407(d)(2)(viii)). Areas covered by the turntable assembly must be inspected for corroded and abraded areas, dents, distortions, defects in welds, and any other condition that may render the cargo tank unsafe for transportation service (§ 180.407(g) (1)(iii)). If the area above the turntable cannot be observed and the turntable cannot be removed without cutting and welding then the tank must be internally inspected and those areas of the tank above the turntable must be thickness tested in accordance with § 180.407(i)(2). The number of thickness test points is dependent upon the area of the tank shell above the turntable that cannot be visually inspected. For copy of the thickness test report identifying the areas tested and the measurements recorded for each each square foot of tank shell surface area above the turntable you must perform six thickness tests. A test location must be maintained with the external visual inspection report or the pressure test report, as appropriate, and a copy of this report must be provided to the owner and operator, if not the owner, of the cargo tank. The photographs you provided indicate that this cargo tank and turntable assembly could fulfill the criteria outlined above. However, if the cargo tank is not equipped with a manhole, the turntable assembly must be removed from the cargo tank in order to meet the visual inspection and/or pressure test requirements. Sincerely, Susa Orato Susan Gorsky • Senior Transportation Regulations Specialist Office of Hazardous Materials Standards ::. *%. <<>> WELD-IT COMPANY August 26. 2002 177 SHELA STREET * LOS ANGELES. CALFORNIA Y 42\31 263 7520 U.S. Department of Transportation 323-263-7524 FAX 1213/ 201-4073 Hazardous Material: Division Pederal Mour Currier Safety Administration Johnsen 400 7" Street, SW Washington, DC 204g0). §180.401 Aun: Mr. Daniel G. Stetton Cargo Tanks Hazardous Materials Program Specialin Ph #(202) 366-0476 Fax #202) 366-7908 02-0290 Subject: Pressure test af cargo tanks Ref: No.01-0203 Meno from Thomas G. Allan, Senior Transportation Regutatioss Spocialist To: William A. Orade Chief of Hazardous Materials Division dared August 16, 2001 Dear Str: Please excuse the delay of our reply to the phone conversation between yourself and me. tanker. It took sometime to get the pictures you asked for on the North Wost fou (4) ande super Unlike a semi initer with a fult upper coupler s" wheel plate that prevents inspectors from observing the bottom of a cargo tank during pressure test, two (2) axle West Coast Full trailer and the majority of four (4) asle suppet trailers this is not the case We have enclosed pictures of both types of units. As you can ser with both types of units you can see the bottom of cargo tank tau the opening of the roller wheel and tumtable upper sub-frame. While there are some manufactures that use a fill plate between upper and loser sub-frame this seem to be on the four (4) axle super tanker only. In this case the inspection facility would have 10 remove the turinble assembly the same as u semi 5" wheel plate. On those units that do air tank or some other hardware to make inspection. -This is certainly easier and more not need the turntable removed it may be necessary for inspection facility to remove an cost effective than removing the complete turtable asserably. <<>> .. As we discussed in our phone conversation when a turntable assembly and a 5"" wheel and replacement plate are removed for testing they should be marked with dated and inspector after test Unlike a semi trailer, which has land gear to set the cargo tank on a full trailer or super putting 20,000 Ibs of water on the trailer and putting an inspector under the front of the tanker is harder to support without the front turntable. We have some problem with unit. We are asking that Federal Motor Carrier reconsider it's position and allow inspection facilities not to remove the turntable when the bottom of the cargo tank can be inspected during pressure testing. Those units that cannot meet this requirement will have to have be a cost benefit to our customer and safer operation for our employee's. turntable removed just like a semi trailer upper s" wheel coupler plate. This option will assistance, please call. Your earliest consideration will be gratefully appreciated. If we may be of any Sincerely, Raymond Schaffer -r=h - **truncated:** false - **body characters:** 7014